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So far as is know, correct. Hence my dropping some of the more draconian measures (aging mail and sanitizing food packaging by various means from hypochlorite to sitting around in a bag for a few days).
The latest CDC announcement, no doubt you have or will shortly hear, is that people who have all been vaccinated can gather mask-less (etc.) in indoor groups. In an imaginary world full of sane people, isn't that what we all wish to be able to safely do?
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: aging mail and sanitizing food packaging by various means from hypochlorite to sitting around in a bag for a few days
Wow. We never had that suggested here in the US, AFAIK.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: is that people who have all been vaccinated can gather mask-less (etc.) in indoor groups
Yes, been reading that, waiting for the guidance to actually be approved.
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Specific implementation is based upon my background (chemistry) and common sense. Initially it was something I treated like the flu in terms of contagion: gotten from surfaces and rubbed into eyes. There wasn't much data to go on.
For sealed impervious containers (like juice, milk, etc.) we sprayed with a cleaner containing about 1 1/2% Sodium Hypochlorite (bleach) and cycled through the bunch of them (for a single trip) and rinsed them. This kills virtually anything (except, perhaps, prions) almost instantly. Dry and into the fridge.
Frozen food: bagged plastic got the bleach treatment but boxed couldn't withstand that. Instead, opened, slid contents out to a clean surface, and threw away the boxes.
Produce: things like berries in a vented box and such, along with boxed food that needed to be refrigerated but couldn't be sprayed or repackaged got the sanitizing wipe treatment. Produce without packaging - wiped down the outer package.
Finally, dry goods were just left to allow the virus to die. Several days, at least. Same for mail.
Once organized it was quickly routine and no big hassle to continue.
Again, I don't think like other people (good for a laugh if you post carefully!). Although direct data wasn't available for COVID I checked about its lifetime on surfaces at room temp vs. refrigerated vs. frozen. It may die in hours to days at room temp but in a fridge it could easily extend (as a virus) to a week or longer. Frozen - not clear answer: preservation vs. disruption. Err towards cautin. Cleaning doornobs? Hardly because ours are brass and they kill virus' rather quickly (as does copper). Also, with no visitors, what's to clean?
The implication about getting COVID from surfaces was heavily downplayed. They conventional wisdom is that it was airborne and surface transmission wasn't a serious problem. Just keep your hands off your face - except I'm a veteran eye-rubber.
So all the cleaning and waiting will fall by the wayside on or about March 22nd. Same for gloves when going out to shop. Masks, however, in place, when in public - I am my brothers' keeper.
(too much detail but we made it this far)
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This just in (my inbox) CDC Guidance (via Medscape):
According to the new guidance, people who are at least 2 weeks out from their last dose can:
- Visit with other fully vaccinated people indoors without wearing masks or physical distancing.
- Visit with unvaccinated people from a single household who are at low risk for severe COVID-19 disease indoors without wearing masks or physical distancing
- Avoid quarantine and testing following exposure to someone if they remain asymptomatic.
Along with this:
However, there are still restrictions that will remain until further data is collected. Those who are fully vaccinated must still:
- Wear masks and physically distance in public settings and around people at high risk for severe disease.
- Wear masks and physically distance when visiting unvaccinated people from more than one household.
- Avoid medium- and large-sized gatherings.
- Avoid travel.
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It's like your warning labels, it's for your lawyers. He has to say it.
In reality it's about probability.
The probability that the vaccine is working is 90-95%.
So that's a 90-95% lowered risk of getting sick at all. And if you get sick it's a 90-95% lower risk of getting hospitalized.
You also have a 90-95% lower risk of spreading it to other people.
But it's not 0! And this is the point. Until the spread in society has gone down there's still a risk.
So stay with the measures until a majority has been vaccinated. That'll happen soon enough.
Also, you're a logical person, you should get this.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Also, you're a logical person, you should get this. That, my friend, is part of the tragedy of our times.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: It's like your warning labels, it's for your lawyers. He has to say it.
Well, a law was passed the eliminates any liability by vaccine producers, so no lawyers need to get involved.
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So. Someone else has to take the responsibility instead. I guess the state. That makes the statrment even more important. For the state.
Lawyers will find a way to involve themselves.
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Yup! Sir Talks-A-Lot Fauci just talks too much!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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We got our second shots about a month ago. I don't care what the nay-sayers have to say about it, it's a relief to know that you are much less likely to get it, and if you do get it, it is very unlikely to be so severe that you will end up in hospital.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: COVID vaccinations Government tracking implants?
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They're just fools - they were implanted at birth with tracking devices.
That alien technology was brought to the world in the early 20th century and full implementation came about with the all-but-mandatory outside-assistance in giving birth.
Foil hats won't help. Hint: foil underwear.
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... but even I can tell the difference between a wolf and a Rottweiler[^]
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
modified 8-Mar-21 14:22pm.
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Check my profile: I have difficulty spelling the word "the" never mind two syllables ...
Fixed.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Chinese QA/QC - what's the surprise here? I mean, at least it wasn't a stuffed Panda.
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I guess he identifies as a woof
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Wolves don't do woof. They howl, but don't bark. You know the sound if you hear it.
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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It was a word play on "wolf"... Because dogs say "woof", which sounds like "wolf"?
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Sander Rossel wrote: It was a word play on "wolf"... Because dogs say "woof", which sounds like "wolf"? Totally missed that. Thanks for pointing it out.
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Even a husky is a far cry from a wolf.
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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As we used to say: "close enough for government work"
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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Hmm, perhaps the Rottweiler ate the wolf
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I do not want to fall into stupid stereotypes, but I have multiple examples of such fakes in my work with China. I think it must some cultural fear of making mistakes.
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