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What really worries me are the times when I stop worrying and feel over-confident in my own technical mastery: for those times are, inevitably, punctuated by disasters in judgement
Happy New Year !
“I'm an artist: it's self evident that word implies looking for something all the time without ever finding it in full. It is the opposite of saying : 'I know all about it. I've already found it.'
As far as I'm concerned, the word means: 'I am looking. I am hunting for it. I am deeply involved.'”
Vincent Van Gogh
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What kind of university doesn't allow to have both of them? Both are important. Discrete Maths is a must-have for understanding how CPU thinks. And I believe that on an assembler course you would learn not only a language itself, but also how CPU works.
Ps: what is a "Machine ORG"?.
Greetings - Jacek
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He didn't say he wasn't allowed both, he just said he's taking one or the other.
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I am allowed to take both simultaneously, but there are credit limitations. I believe I am limited to 22 credits a semester. I am enrolled in 4 classes, for the fifth spot it's discrete vs assembly. I have my summer classes planned out, and I start grad school in Fall. So, I am allowed to take both, but priorities and time require that I choose one of the two.
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Jon Plotner wrote: 22 credits a semester
That would be a heck of a workload... unless you have some easy classes in the mix.
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I took an average of 21 credits per quarter at the engineering school I went to... for more than 3 years, while working, including summers. This was a school where 75% is a failing grade.
Nothing wrong with working your ass off, just brings the crazy out sooner
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Well a semester is pretty much a quarter... I graduated in three years as well, but I wouldn't wish my gray hairs on anyone...
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Eh, 4 quarters in a year, only 2.5 semesters or so... Brain did all it could to absorb an entire course in 11 weeks, much less 6 or 7 of them.
Didn't graduate in 3 years, took me just over 4 since I changed majors twice in a school where changing programs meant basically starting over. My hair was gray by my sophomore year, by the time I graduated I felt 10 years older
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There's actually four school semesters in most universities. Spring and Fall are the usual, then there's usually two summer sessions. The summer sessions are condensed.
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I've taken both. The only thing that stuck with me from discrete math was some of the vector operations. Those came in handy for some game code.
The assembly class had us using exposed circuit boards and wiring them for LEDs countdown timers and buzzers. So... it was basically a class to teach bomb building.
Of the two I've gotten more use out of the math. Homeland security tends to frown on the other anyway.
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You do realise that security agency bots have already made note of your comments? The hamsters are scheduled to have their doors bashed off the hinges at 2am tomorrow morning in pursuit of getting your address and inside leg measurements etc.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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Advanced mathematical knowledge is always helpful no matter what technical field you go end up in as it will hopefully imprint on you different ways to view and analyze data.
Quote: Currently I have three path pulling at me. Industrial and Systems Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Computer Science/Software Engineering. It would help to know what undergraduate program you are currently enrolled in and what you hope to do when you graduate. Based on these three graduate study areas, I would assume that you are currently in a math and/or computer science program and hope to use all that stuff you have been learning in the real world.
I am not saying that that can not happen, but many engineers will tell you that it is the problem solving skills you have hopefully developed that you will be use the most versus any specific knowledge you may hope to remember.
In any case, good luck and study hard.
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TnTinMn wrote: many engineers will tell you that it is the problem solving skills you have hopefully developed that you will be use the most versus any specific knowledge you may hope to remember
I am one of them.
From all what I learned in college, I just use 10% or 15%. The best things I learnt in college are self-teaching and solution-oriented methodologies.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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It really depends on your course of study versus what you actual occupation is. In any case though, you'll never remember everything, I'm constantly having to look back to books or online sources to remember things.
I'm a communications/DSP engineer... so I guess I use a lot more of my mathematics than the average college grad.
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Albert Holguin wrote: I'm constantly having to look back to books or online sources to remember things.
Einstein told it: I don't learn something I can find somewhere else.
I add: It is more important to learn the how than to learn the what.
I am electronic's engineer specialized in Automation and Robotics. So from all what I saw in college I mostly use Automation, Software engineering, CAD, Regulation, Process Analyse and Digital electronic.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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If is *anything* with algebra, take it. All the monoid, groups etc. stuff are invaluable to understand later why you will need an operator < in a container C++ class, why a neutral element could become one day operator +=(HRGN hrgn).
But I would go also to the ASM as well, *if* you have a veteran to teach.
Morale: go to the music school for theory and spend time with bluesmen as well . The result have more chances to be Eric Clapton.
Nuclear launch detected
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Discrete mathematics. Good choice. I touched it quite a bit at college even though my major degree subject was applied maths. All of this was in the mid to late 70s so "computer science" was then heavily dependent on discrete analysis. Funny thing is, I enjoyed the discrete rather more than applied. Then again, it was all down to the tutors I think.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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You're probably better off with the class in Discrete Math as it's much harder and could use the guided instruction. But buy the Machine Org book anyway. It's not that difficult, just time consuming. If you want to actually understand how a processor works it's the class to take. And guys, not all of us grew up in the 70s when this was standard nerd knowledge, about half my class failed what has to have been one of the most dead simple classes I took because they didn't have a clue to start with and weren't smart enough to read the stinking book.
That said, if you take Machine Org/Assembler, read the stinking book. It'll be long, dry, boring and filled with all the answers for the tests. Plus you may actually remember some of the useful bits later.
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Jon Plotner wrote: make me more valuable in the workforce.
And which specific part of the work force do you want to be?
Jon Plotner wrote: Machine ORG/Assembler Language VS. Discrete Mathematics
I can only take one. Which should it be? Why?
Excluding some very specific answers to the previous question...Assembler.
In general for the vast majority of programming jobs advanced math will have virtually no impact. You might encounter one instance where knowledge in one specific area might help in your entire career. Which isn't to say that that this class will be the one. Could be a different math class.
On the other hand a deeper understanding of how a computer works provides a basis for understanding better how compilers and interpreters work. Which will impact the rest of your career. Since if you do actually program then you will be using compilers and interpreters for the rest of your life. (And the class I took on compiler design was one of the most worthwhile classes I ever took.)
If it matters I took classes similar to both and my degree is in Mathematics.
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They have been covering it on the news since yesterday evening - the doctors are saying they are "taking it hour by hour": which is unfortunately not a good sign.
I may not like the bloke, but I feel for his family and wish him a speedy recovery.
Never underestimate the power of stupid things in large numbers
--- Serious Sam
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OriginalGriff wrote: They have been covering it on the news since yesterday evening Ah, I see. I didn't hear about it until this morning when it came in on my Facebook stream.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Actually, the guy said this, word for word (in french obviously, but translated for you!):
"We are taking it hour by hour, to save time".
I understand what he meant, but seriously?
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What a shame I hope he recovers!
Skiing seems to be a pretty dangerous sport,
I'm still working on the delicate art of walking upright. Of course it's a lot easier now that I don't drink.
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